@ilmuialahkuasa:
It was pretty sloppy of Najib to allegedly channeled the money to his account,
but if he actually used the money for political campaigning, not personal use,
has he done anything wrong? It's definitely wrong and unethical in the U.S. In
Malaysia?
Gosh: in
Malaysia, nothing is wrong sbnrnya
Wan: @ilmuialahkuasa,
good article..i thot in US it is okay since everything must b declared?
Wan: Tp in
najib's case sbb the source tied to 1mdb, which is very3 suspicious..being a
glc etc
Sham: 1st, Let
us be clear that donation for political means & corruption are totally
seperate matters.. Ex in US, donation is legal, but corruption is not..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Yeah political donation is legal and have to be declared. But x leh pi personal
account candidate.
Wan: Oh..i
see..patut gi the party's account
Han: Yup malaysia
mmg political donation legal
Sham: 2nd Yes
in Malaysia, startng from Dr M, all PM/head of Umno has access to undisclosed
fund.. But this fund is controlld by 3 person, normally d President, d
Deputy& secretary general..
Han: To
expense out, u need to give to political parties
Sham: U can
read about this is Malaysian Maverick bu Barry Wain
Han: Tulis
check ke akaun umno malaysia or political parties lain
Sham: But
never b4, such a huge fund is act being channel to an individual account that
even the deputy president doesnt know the transaction details..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Kat US big companies donate to both parties, democrats and republican. To some
extend its some sort of hedging coz dua2 kuat.
Sham: And
somehow this transactions has been made known to the international media, and
this has affectd Malaysia international standings politically &
economically..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Najib has a tendency to built separate teams to handle stuffs. Tu style
leadership dia which might be very efficient in some cases like PEMANDU, but
not in election spending apparently. This approach alienate some people like
specific ministries, and apparently his own deputy.
Sham: And
never b4 too such a huge enterprise as RM40bn 1mdb has been used as a channel
for this dirty money.. IMO, if this goes unpunishd, who knows that even a
bigger scandal will be cooked up, in excess of trillions RM.. And who says all
d biggest institutions in Malaysia such as Petronas, PNB, TNB & even
Khazanah will be safe from this corrupt approach???
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Sham, perception is one thing truth is another. Things are grey for sure.
Sham: Coz all
these organisations's BOD are being chaired directly by PM or his trustee..
Sham: No, its
really wrong.. Even in Malaysian Law, that's why d previous AG was dismissd..
Sham: Najib is
really just buying time.. To clear all d records i think..
Tan: Okay Wak
masuk masuk
Tan: Jangan
type sket2 je
Tan: 😂🏃💨💨
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Are you saying a Malaysian court would actually find Najib guilty for receiving
large amount of money for political campaigning? Remember even WSJ article not
sure the source of the money and how it was spent
Sham: From
Political Science, we know that a leader cannot rule effectively if his
influence has been eroded, in d case of
Najib, extensively..
Sham: Unless
he became a dictator..
Sham:
@ilmuialahkuasa, i suggest he can be chargd in court for corruption, not for
donation..
Tan: Good
discussion.. Let's continue it with makan2 😁
Sham: Whethr
he will be found guilty, that's depends whether the court is truly independent
or not..
Tan: Tak best
tengok screen je
@ilmuialahkuasa:
But the proof for corruption is weak.
Sham: For a
PM, it is enuf for him to be charged in court to justify he cannnot continue as
PM anymore, in this case of national importance..
Sham: Haha Tan
aku ok ajer.. Anyday after 10pm.. Lpas budk2 tido
@ilmuialahkuasa:
He's indeed buying time. As long as he can shut up Ahmad Maslan and let people
like Rahman Dahlan to speak, he might be winning the perception war.
Sham:
Perhaps.. I just hope Malaysians is able to see beyond d cloud of
deceptions& media play..
Tan: Syukur
Malaysia masih aman
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Yup, sib baik TSMY x rile up people cam Anwar.
Sham: Ramai
org taye siapa bleh gnti najib? I would suggest KJ.. Walaupn i dun know him
much, but act time Paklah i power, a lot of gud things happnd..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Nyaris2 kita pi join reformasi time dulu.
Sham: D new
khazanah was establshd in 2004, whn Pak Lah jst jd PM.. It introducd
transparncy & business acumn into GLC that brngs many gud things to
Malaysian 10 yrs later..
Sham: Unifi,
4G from Celcom, new highways from PLUS, relatively stable & cheap
electricity from TNB etc etc..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Umno has quite a hierarchical system sham. Kalau TSMY retire, Vice Presidents
are the only options, practically between Zahid and Hishamuddin
Sham: Its not
prfect but much better than 1mdb for sure..
Sham: That 's
my daydream tp i dun think much changes will come from both d deputy &
vice..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Aku suspect all those things are Tun's brainchild but peaked time Pak Lah
Sham: Perhaps
2x
@ilmuialahkuasa:
KJ is sure cool to the youngsters but among pros he's being seen as playing it
too safe
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Ketua Pemuda kena buat scene cam Zahid time Anwar, Hishamuddin dgn keris
@ilmuialahkuasa:
He's wasting a crisis IMHO
Sham: Nobody
has gut.. Najib is very much in control 4 now..
Wan: Kita
tukar lah sekali...60 thn party sama je 🙊
Wan: I think
this is partially why leaders act in such way...knowing they'll be there no
matter what
Wan: If people
can show they cant tolerate nonsense from both sides..they care, they r
watching..
Sham: My
cousin who is a kontraktor kelas D in JB once told me that he need to markup
40% for donations for any govmnt project that he bids..
Sham: Tambah
dgn profit margin 30% that any businessman will do, that leave only 30% for the
actual project cost..
Pip: The
problem is systemic. I believe we need to impose campaign financing
requirements to address the issue.
Otherwise tukar gov pun sama je.
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Susah opposition nk survive pip kalau nk kena declare. Malaih aku nk clarify
takut cia ketuk umah
Pip: All
political parties must declare all their financing. Kalau US, there is a limit
on how much an individual can donate. Dulu USD 2000. Corporation I'm not sure.
Pip: Both
sides pun susah sbnrnya. Aku ade kenal tukang bwk bag full of cash masuk pst
penamaan calon. Kalau ade legislation BN pun susah
Sham: Satu lg,
we dont grow statesman, but rather politican cum biz man.. Stateman like d old
Tun Razak, Tun Dr Ismail, even Dr M..
Sham: Our
talents go wastd doing backdoor work that nobody noticed..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Agreed pip. Lagi bnyk pros than cons with transparency.
Sham: Or they
went to greenr pasture like u guys..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
I'd prefer doing work behind the door sham, low profile. Politics is not for
the faint heart
Sham: D best
of d best shud go to politics.. At least accordng to Plato..
Sham: Tp if u
go to any Umno grassroot meetings, they r dominatd by those rent seekng small
time traders that wud not be competitive
without connection..
Sham: Maybe in
PR, but IMO they r still a longshot to Putrajaya..
@ilmuialahkuasa:
Money politics is a turned off. Aku balik jadi perwakilan umno zaman Pak Lah
dulu depa dok bagi duit sepah2 cam air. Penat aku mengaji tinggi2 tgk anak2
depa lps spm pakai 3 series.
Han: Hahah
Sham: Hahaha