WhatsApp Chat re Najib, 1MDB etc. with Malaysian Like-Minds

Disclaimer: Real names, phone numbers and locations are not disclosed to protect privacy. All are 30 something Malays with either UK or US higher education.

@ilmuialahkuasa: This article really made me thinking: http://bit.ly/1I6nsRZ

@ilmuialahkuasa: It was pretty sloppy of Najib to allegedly channeled the money to his account, but if he actually used the money for political campaigning, not personal use, has he done anything wrong? It's definitely wrong and unethical in the U.S. In Malaysia?

Gosh: in Malaysia, nothing is wrong sbnrnya

Wan: @ilmuialahkuasa, good article..i thot in US it is okay since everything must b declared?

Wan: Tp in najib's case sbb the source tied to 1mdb, which is very3 suspicious..being a glc etc

Sham: 1st, Let us be clear that donation for political means & corruption are totally seperate matters.. Ex in US, donation is legal, but corruption is not..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Yeah political donation is legal and have to be declared. But x leh pi personal account candidate.

Wan: Oh..i see..patut gi the party's account

Han: Yup malaysia mmg political donation legal

Sham: 2nd Yes in Malaysia, startng from Dr M, all PM/head of Umno has access to undisclosed fund.. But this fund is controlld by 3 person, normally d President, d Deputy& secretary general..

Han: To expense out, u need to give to political parties

Sham: U can read about this is Malaysian Maverick bu Barry Wain

Han: Tulis check ke akaun umno malaysia or political parties lain

Sham: But never b4, such a huge fund is act being channel to an individual account that even the deputy president doesnt know the transaction details..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Kat US big companies donate to both parties, democrats and republican. To some extend its some sort of hedging coz dua2 kuat.

Sham: And somehow this transactions has been made known to the international media, and this has affectd Malaysia international standings politically & economically..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Najib has a tendency to built separate teams to handle stuffs. Tu style leadership dia which might be very efficient in some cases like PEMANDU, but not in election spending apparently. This approach alienate some people like specific ministries, and apparently his own deputy.

Sham: And never b4 too such a huge enterprise as RM40bn 1mdb has been used as a channel for this dirty money.. IMO, if this goes unpunishd, who knows that even a bigger scandal will be cooked up, in excess of trillions RM.. And who says all d biggest institutions in Malaysia such as Petronas, PNB, TNB & even Khazanah will be safe from this corrupt approach???

@ilmuialahkuasa: Sham, perception is one thing truth is another. Things are grey for sure.

Sham: Coz all these organisations's BOD are being chaired directly by PM or his trustee..

Sham: No, its really wrong.. Even in Malaysian Law, that's why d previous AG was dismissd..

Sham: Najib is really just buying time.. To clear all d records i think..

Tan: Okay Wak masuk masuk

Tan: Jangan type sket2 je

Tan: 😂🏃💨💨

@ilmuialahkuasa: Are you saying a Malaysian court would actually find Najib guilty for receiving large amount of money for political campaigning? Remember even WSJ article not sure the source of the money and how it was spent

Sham: From Political Science, we know that a leader cannot rule effectively if his influence  has been eroded, in d case of Najib, extensively..

Sham: Unless he became a dictator..

Sham: @ilmuialahkuasa, i suggest he can be chargd in court for corruption, not for donation..

Tan: Good discussion.. Let's continue it with makan2 😁

Sham: Whethr he will be found guilty, that's depends whether the court is truly independent or not..

Tan: Tak best tengok screen je

@ilmuialahkuasa: But the proof for corruption is weak.

Sham: For a PM, it is enuf for him to be charged in court to justify he cannnot continue as PM anymore, in this case of national importance..

Sham: Haha Tan aku ok ajer.. Anyday after 10pm.. Lpas budk2 tido

@ilmuialahkuasa: He's indeed buying time. As long as he can shut up Ahmad Maslan and let people like Rahman Dahlan to speak, he might be winning the perception war.

Sham: Perhaps.. I just hope Malaysians is able to see beyond d cloud of deceptions& media play..

Tan: Syukur Malaysia masih aman

@ilmuialahkuasa: Yup, sib baik TSMY x rile up people cam Anwar.

Sham: Ramai org taye siapa bleh gnti najib? I would suggest KJ.. Walaupn i dun know him much, but act time Paklah i power, a lot of gud things happnd..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Nyaris2 kita pi join reformasi time dulu.

Sham: D new khazanah was establshd in 2004, whn Pak Lah jst jd PM.. It introducd transparncy & business acumn into GLC that brngs many gud things to Malaysian 10 yrs later..

Sham: Unifi, 4G from Celcom, new highways from PLUS, relatively stable & cheap electricity from TNB etc etc..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Umno has quite a hierarchical system sham. Kalau TSMY retire, Vice Presidents are the only options, practically between Zahid and Hishamuddin

Sham: Its not prfect but much better than 1mdb for sure..

Sham: That 's my daydream tp i dun think much changes will come from both d deputy & vice..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Aku suspect all those things are Tun's brainchild but peaked time Pak Lah

Sham: Perhaps 2x

@ilmuialahkuasa: KJ is sure cool to the youngsters but among pros he's being seen as playing it too safe

@ilmuialahkuasa: Ketua Pemuda kena buat scene cam Zahid time Anwar, Hishamuddin dgn keris

@ilmuialahkuasa: He's wasting a crisis IMHO

Sham: Nobody has gut.. Najib is very much in control 4 now..

Wan: Kita tukar lah sekali...60 thn party sama je 🙊

Wan: I think this is partially why leaders act in such way...knowing they'll be there no matter what

Wan: If people can show they cant tolerate nonsense from both sides..they care, they r watching..

Sham: My cousin who is a kontraktor kelas D in JB once told me that he need to markup 40% for donations for any govmnt project that he bids..

Sham: Tambah dgn profit margin 30% that any businessman will do, that leave only 30% for the actual project cost..

Pip: The problem is systemic. I believe we need to impose campaign financing requirements to address the issue.  Otherwise tukar gov pun sama je.

@ilmuialahkuasa: Susah opposition nk survive pip kalau nk kena declare. Malaih aku nk clarify takut cia ketuk umah

Pip: All political parties must declare all their financing. Kalau US, there is a limit on how much an individual can donate. Dulu USD 2000. Corporation I'm not sure.

Pip: Both sides pun susah sbnrnya. Aku ade kenal tukang bwk bag full of cash masuk pst penamaan calon. Kalau ade legislation BN pun susah

Sham: Satu lg, we dont grow statesman, but rather politican cum biz man.. Stateman like d old Tun Razak, Tun Dr Ismail, even Dr M..

Sham: Our talents go wastd doing backdoor work that nobody noticed..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Agreed pip. Lagi bnyk pros than cons with transparency.

Sham: Or they went to greenr pasture like u guys..

@ilmuialahkuasa: I'd prefer doing work behind the door sham, low profile. Politics is not for the faint heart

Sham: D best of d best shud go to politics.. At least accordng to Plato..

Sham: Tp if u go to any Umno grassroot meetings, they r dominatd by those rent seekng small time traders that wud not be competitive  without connection..

Sham: Maybe in PR, but IMO they r still a longshot to Putrajaya..

@ilmuialahkuasa: Money politics is a turned off. Aku balik jadi perwakilan umno zaman Pak Lah dulu depa dok bagi duit sepah2 cam air. Penat aku mengaji tinggi2 tgk anak2 depa lps spm pakai 3 series.

Han: Hahah

Sham: Hahaha